June 10, 2006

Abortion-Death Penalty-Natural Disaster Response

Posted by Adam Graham in : Abortion

Alan in response to a response I made his post, commented regarding a poll that showed 70% of people thought abortion was at least sometimes morally wrong:

How can something be “sometimes morally wrong”? Isn’t it either right or wrong? If it’s sometimes morally right and sometimes moreally wrong, isn’t this just situational morality? So, the 70% who say it’s sometimes morally wrong are also the same 70% who I guess would say sometimes it’s morally right.

I think that’s perhaps a flawed methodology in the poll. It doesn’t pull doesn’t tell us much about when people feel it is morally wrong, only that in some instances they do. I don’t think its morally wrong if the mother is going to die. (example: Ectopic pregnancy.) Like in the case of killing someone, that’s morally wrong if done for money or some illicit reason but not morally wrong if done in self-defense.

Maybe you can enlighten me about what’s morally wrong with abortion. Killing is killing, and wouldn’t you say that only God has the right to judge? If we condone the death penalty how does that square with not condoning abortion?

No, I wouldn’t say something so utterly absurd as “God only has the right to judge” regarding a matter like murder. Now, if you’re talking tatoos or guys wearing earrings, that I’ll say God will judge. But on this matter, its destroying a human life and I wouldn’t say, “God only has the right to judge” about any of the murderous atrocities throughout our history.

As to the death penalty, that’s actually found in a respect for human life. Genesis 9 lays the Foundation for this when God is speaking to man after the flood:

When commenting on the praying kids getting struck by lightneing, you said, basically, that it was God’s will and that once dead they were with God, therefore better off. Likewise, isn’t it God’s will that the child is aborted, and isn’t that soul thereafter with God and therefore better off?

And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.-Genesis 9:5,6

The morality of the death penalty is this: If a man kills another man that offense is so dark and heinous that the fitting punishment is death. That’s how sacred human life is.

Now, you don’t have to believe Genesis to understand this, but its the basic principle that seperates abortion (the killing of a human being who caused you not to fit into your wedding dress/delay college, etc.) v. the killing of a human being for destroying another human life.

When commenting on the praying kids getting struck by lightneing, you said, basically, that it was God’s will and that once dead they were with God, therefore better off. Likewise, isn’t it God’s will that the child is aborted, and isn’t that soul thereafter with God and therefore better off?

Actually I said a couple other things as well. Regardless, there’s a difference between God allowing the natural consequence of an action (kneeling by a metal object in the middle of a lightening storm) and us taking action to destroy life. If someone goes into a nursery and fills all the babies in their full of bullets, its not a legitimate argument for them to say, “But they’re in a better place.”

We’re not God and we don’t have the right to destroy innocent human life.

2 Comments

  1. Comment by Alan [Member]

    You say abortion is not morally wrong in certain circumstances, i.e., mother’s life in jeopardy. The bible doesn’t give any specific guidance on when abortion is or isn’t morally wrong. It doesn’t say, for example, that abortion to save the mother’s life is allowable. We have to figure it out. If humans can decide when it is and isn’t morally wrong, then what we’re really talking about is line drawing. Where is the line between morally right and wrong, and who gets to decide where the line is drawn?

    The line is drawn depending on the viewer’s own individual morality. People disagree about what is moral and make different judgments. Either one judgment is correct and the other wrong, or both people have valid judgments for them to apply to their lives.

    It is this problem that leads many anti-abortionists to oppose all abortion for any reason. Once you allow that some abortions are okay, it’s only a matter of who gets to decide which abortions are acceptable. Do you decide for me or do I decide for you, or should we each decide for ourselves? Anti-abortionists want to decide for everybody. Pro-choice folks want everyone to decide for themselves.

    Of course, the baby, the fetus, the zygote can’t decide for itself. Literally; it is incapable of making a judgment. But remember, we’ve already established that it’s okay to terminate the pregnancy in some circumstances. Saying that someone must represent the baby/fetus/zygote is just returning to the “who gets to decide” argument, since the BFZ can’t decide.

  2. Comment by Adam Graham [Member]

    First of all, there’s a fine tradition of an exception for murder for self-defense. We draw that line in our legal system every day and its really not that hard in abortion, we just have a lot of people who want to make it hard.

    Second, while the Fetus can’t speak for itself, if he/she could, I’d doubt they’d say, “please cover me in saline, I’d like to die an extremely painful death” or “Please rip me apart limb from limb so my mother doesn’t miss a Semester.”

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