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		<title>By: Tim Knutson [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Knutson [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for being honest and objective.  As a &#039;historic&#039; Baptist I would be completely against any attempt at government to place themselves on ANY side of a religious argument.  The First Amendment was enough.  However, after actually reading the resolution, it is nothing more than recognition of a historic fact and population statistics.  If we are establishing state religion, count good Baptists out.  If we are acknowledging that has been Christian influence in this country, I&#039;ll be the first to stand and give examples!  Thanks again for objectivity.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being honest and objective.  As a &#8216;historic&#8217; Baptist I would be completely against any attempt at government to place themselves on ANY side of a religious argument.  The First Amendment was enough.  However, after actually reading the resolution, it is nothing more than recognition of a historic fact and population statistics.  If we are establishing state religion, count good Baptists out.  If we are acknowledging that has been Christian influence in this country, I&#8217;ll be the first to stand and give examples!  Thanks again for objectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Graham [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Graham [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, PHS.</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron Parmet [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Parmet [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Article 1 Section 7 - Missouri Bill of Rights&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;no preference shall be given to nor any discrimination made against any church, sect or creed of religion, or any form of religious faith or worship.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;no preference shall be given to nor any discrimination made against any church, sect or creed of religion, or any form of religious faith or worship.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PHS [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHS [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post, and an excellent explanation of the reality of this resolution.  I imagine it would shock many of our liberal friends to actually open up the history (the true history, not the rewritten version I see everyday in my public high school history classroom) of the early states to read just how &quot;isolated&quot; our founders wanted religion to be from government.  Well said, Adam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post, and an excellent explanation of the reality of this resolution.  I imagine it would shock many of our liberal friends to actually open up the history (the true history, not the rewritten version I see everyday in my public high school history classroom) of the early states to read just how &#8220;isolated&#8221; our founders wanted religion to be from government.  Well said, Adam.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Graham [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea Graham [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it&#039;s a dogwood tree you&#039;re thinking of.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a variation on my &quot;substitute &#039;President Hillary Clinton&#039; for &#039;President George W. Bush&#039;&quot; test I give righties when they defend Bush selling ports to the UAE, ....&lt;br /&gt;
Radical Russ&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet another lie. President Bush did not sell the ports to anyone. In fact, the ports were never for sale. Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. (British corporation) sold to &lt;br /&gt;
The UAE . Part of the sale includes control over shipping facilities at 6 US ports. This is just another example of how radicals lie about the specifics of an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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For those who don&#039;t know the specifics, all the Bush administration did was sign off on the deal after it passed &lt;br /&gt;
unanimous approval by the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States. Congress then had 30 days to object but not a single member cared to file a complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a variation on my &#8220;substitute &#8216;President Hillary Clinton&#8217; for &#8216;President George W. Bush&#8217;&#8221; test I give righties when they defend Bush selling ports to the UAE, &#8230;.<br />
Radical Russ</p>
<p>Yet another lie. President Bush did not sell the ports to anyone. In fact, the ports were never for sale. Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. (British corporation) sold to <br />
The UAE . Part of the sale includes control over shipping facilities at 6 US ports. This is just another example of how radicals lie about the specifics of an issue.</p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t know the specifics, all the Bush administration did was sign off on the deal after it passed <br />
unanimous approval by the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States. Congress then had 30 days to object but not a single member cared to file a complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Graham [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Graham [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, read the bill. It doesn&#039;t do what you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, read the bill. It doesn&#8217;t do what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Hendrix [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Hendrix [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am writing about House Concurrent Resolution No. 13 sponsored by Rep. David Sater R- Cassville, and co-sponsored by Rep. Barney Joe Fisher, R-Richards.  I saw the article by Tim Townsend and Matt Franck in the 3/3/06 online edition of the St. Louis Post Dispatch.  What do Rep. Sater and Rep. Fisher have in common?  Well I remember that the school district in Purdy, Missouri was sued by the ACLU for prohibiting dances on school property a few years back.  From what my daughter says, her fourth grade teacher was related to someone in the House.  My son also started out this school year as a student in Mrs. Burch&#8217;s class at NEVC R1 elementary (the Missouri district that still has &#8220;heat issues.&#8221;) Mrs. Burch taught my son that the Missouri state tree was used to crucify Jesus Christ.  Although he could not name the tree, he could tell you if you look closely at the white flowers, you will see a red cross inside.  The red on the cross represents the blood he shed for us.  NEVC R1 allow the Gideon&#8217;s in the elementary school to distribute bibles.  BOE meetings are all begun, invoking the name of Jesus Christ in every prayer.  The issues in this district are systemic, but I am just mentioning a few violations.  Well, NEVC R1 received a letter from the ACLU a few weeks back.  This may be why Rep. Sater and Rep. Fisher are attempting to establish Christianity &#8211; and it must be noted that they are intent on Protestant Christianity as the state religion.  I was raised in an Episcopal church and my eldest daughter went to a Catholic elementary school.  I guarantee, these beliefs are anti to those they are attempting instill in our public schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am writing about House Concurrent Resolution No. 13 sponsored by Rep. David Sater R- Cassville, and co-sponsored by Rep. Barney Joe Fisher, R-Richards.  I saw the article by Tim Townsend and Matt Franck in the 3/3/06 online edition of the St. Louis Post Dispatch.  What do Rep. Sater and Rep. Fisher have in common?  Well I remember that the school district in Purdy, Missouri was sued by the ACLU for prohibiting dances on school property a few years back.  From what my daughter says, her fourth grade teacher was related to someone in the House.  My son also started out this school year as a student in Mrs. Burch&#8217;s class at NEVC R1 elementary (the Missouri district that still has &#8220;heat issues.&#8221;) Mrs. Burch taught my son that the Missouri state tree was used to crucify Jesus Christ.  Although he could not name the tree, he could tell you if you look closely at the white flowers, you will see a red cross inside.  The red on the cross represents the blood he shed for us.  NEVC R1 allow the Gideon&#8217;s in the elementary school to distribute bibles.  BOE meetings are all begun, invoking the name of Jesus Christ in every prayer.  The issues in this district are systemic, but I am just mentioning a few violations.  Well, NEVC R1 received a letter from the ACLU a few weeks back.  This may be why Rep. Sater and Rep. Fisher are attempting to establish Christianity &#8211; and it must be noted that they are intent on Protestant Christianity as the state religion.  I was raised in an Episcopal church and my eldest daughter went to a Catholic elementary school.  I guarantee, these beliefs are anti to those they are attempting instill in our public schools.</p>
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		<title>By: K T Cat [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>K T Cat [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang!  The comments filter just ruined the joke.  Sigh.  They just don&#039;t pack the same punch when you have to explain them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please visit this link for something that might make you smile:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/2006/03/mask-has-fallen.html&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang!  The comments filter just ruined the joke.  Sigh.  They just don&#8217;t pack the same punch when you have to explain them.</p>
<p>Please visit this link for something that might make you smile:</p>
<p><a href="http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/2006/03/mask-has-fallen.html" rel="nofollow">http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/2006/03/mask-has-fallen.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: K T Cat [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>K T Cat [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fools!  The theocracy is upon us!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fools!  The theocracy is upon us!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adam Graham [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Graham [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite frankly, there are probably already resolutions out there recognizing the role of Islam, Buddhism, and others passed in City Councils or State Legislatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite frankly, there are probably already resolutions out there recognizing the role of Islam, Buddhism, and others passed in City Councils or State Legislatures.</p>
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		<title>By: "Radical" Russ [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>"Radical" Russ [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew!  That&#039;s a relief.  For a minute there I thought a state legislature was saying that Christian school prayer in state-mandated education systems and the Christian Ten Commandments in state-run public institutions were hunkey-dory.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, wait.  That&#039;s exactly what they just said.&lt;br /&gt;
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But I&#039;m glad you&#039;re cool with it.  So, when say, Dearborn, Michigan, with its huge Muslim population, decides to recognize its majority religion in a &quot;sense of the council&quot; City Council resolution, you&#039;ll have no problem with that, right?  When they want to issue the Muslim call to prayer five times a day through the public school intercom system, that&#039;ll be fine, just so long as the Muslim students are bowing toward Mecca *voluntarily*.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is yet another American Taliban attempt to proclaim &quot;Hey, most of us are Christians!  We get to enjoy a special status in America!  Y&#039;all are free to worship your false religions, as long as you all acknowledge that we are a Christian Nation and that Christianity is superior to all your false religions.  Our religion is the reason why America is so great!  Hurray for Jesus!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it an Official Proclamation of State Christianity?  No.  Does it forbid the worship of other religions?  No.  But this is the first baby step toward that.  Why does a government entity need to be saying *anything* about one religion or another?  The only purpose it serves, besides demagoguery and rilin&#039; up the Bible-thumpin&#039; voters, is to tell everyone in the state that Missouri thinks Christianity is neato keen&lt;br /&gt;
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The strangest thing to me in all this crumbling of the wall between church and state is that the wall exists to protect religion from government, not the other way around.  Tony Campolo put it this way: &quot;Mixing church and government is like mixing ice cream and cow manure.  It doesn&#039;t ruin the cow manure.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Admit it.  You&#039;d freak out if California passed a reolution promoting Scientology, Buddhism, or any religion aside from Christianity, even if it wasn&#039;t any sort of legally binding bill.  Take any of your Christianity arguments, substitute the word &quot;Islam&quot;, and see how you like the sound of it.  (This is a variation on my &quot;substitute &#039;President Hillary Clinton&#039; for &#039;President George W. Bush&#039;&quot; test I give righties when they defend Bush selling ports to the UAE, or illegally wiretapping, or torturing prisoners, or invading a country illegally, or not finding WMD, or vacationing while New Orleans is washed away, or reading &quot;My Pet Goat&quot; while the Towers are struck, or outing a CIA agent during wartime, or setting record deficits, or not testifying under oath to the 9/11 Commission, or holding secret energy meetings with Big Oil, or just losing $8.8 billion in Iraq... you get the idea...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew!  That&#8217;s a relief.  For a minute there I thought a state legislature was saying that Christian school prayer in state-mandated education systems and the Christian Ten Commandments in state-run public institutions were hunkey-dory.</p>
<p>Oh, wait.  That&#8217;s exactly what they just said.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re cool with it.  So, when say, Dearborn, Michigan, with its huge Muslim population, decides to recognize its majority religion in a &#8220;sense of the council&#8221; City Council resolution, you&#8217;ll have no problem with that, right?  When they want to issue the Muslim call to prayer five times a day through the public school intercom system, that&#8217;ll be fine, just so long as the Muslim students are bowing toward Mecca *voluntarily*.</p>
<p>This is yet another American Taliban attempt to proclaim &#8220;Hey, most of us are Christians!  We get to enjoy a special status in America!  Y&#8217;all are free to worship your false religions, as long as you all acknowledge that we are a Christian Nation and that Christianity is superior to all your false religions.  Our religion is the reason why America is so great!  Hurray for Jesus!&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it an Official Proclamation of State Christianity?  No.  Does it forbid the worship of other religions?  No.  But this is the first baby step toward that.  Why does a government entity need to be saying *anything* about one religion or another?  The only purpose it serves, besides demagoguery and rilin&#8217; up the Bible-thumpin&#8217; voters, is to tell everyone in the state that Missouri thinks Christianity is neato keen</p>
<p>The strangest thing to me in all this crumbling of the wall between church and state is that the wall exists to protect religion from government, not the other way around.  Tony Campolo put it this way: &#8220;Mixing church and government is like mixing ice cream and cow manure.  It doesn&#8217;t ruin the cow manure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Admit it.  You&#8217;d freak out if California passed a reolution promoting Scientology, Buddhism, or any religion aside from Christianity, even if it wasn&#8217;t any sort of legally binding bill.  Take any of your Christianity arguments, substitute the word &#8220;Islam&#8221;, and see how you like the sound of it.  (This is a variation on my &#8220;substitute &#8216;President Hillary Clinton&#8217; for &#8216;President George W. Bush&#8217;&#8221; test I give righties when they defend Bush selling ports to the UAE, or illegally wiretapping, or torturing prisoners, or invading a country illegally, or not finding WMD, or vacationing while New Orleans is washed away, or reading &#8220;My Pet Goat&#8221; while the Towers are struck, or outing a CIA agent during wartime, or setting record deficits, or not testifying under oath to the 9/11 Commission, or holding secret energy meetings with Big Oil, or just losing $8.8 billion in Iraq&#8230; you get the idea&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The piece was a fraud. There are lies by commission, omission, and obfuscation. Good for you for seeing through it Adam .</description>
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		<title>By: Chris S [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris S [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always funny to me how these articles don&#039;t include links to the full text of the legislation in question. Why can&#039;t we read it for ourselves? Instead, I had to dig through the Missouri website to find it (which wasn&#039;t that hard, but still).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always funny to me how these articles don&#8217;t include links to the full text of the legislation in question. Why can&#8217;t we read it for ourselves? Instead, I had to dig through the Missouri website to find it (which wasn&#8217;t that hard, but still).</p>
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