October 8, 2007

Ron Paul: Why They Hate Him

Posted by Adam Graham in : Presidential Race 2008

Andy Roth of the Club for Growth is a bit puzzled by John Hawkins’ latest rankings of the most disliked people on the right. Writes Roth:

 And let me tell you, there is something wrong when more people dislike Ron Paul than Ted Stevens or Linc Chafee

Roth has a point (though I’d be reluctant to put either Stevens or Chafee on the right, more like the center or even the left in Chafee’s case.) I doubt it’s truly about issues, but rather about the behavior of his supporters.

Though I should add  Paul is a tad hypocritical on spending issues. While he has a reputation of Dr. No, strict constructionist who opposes unconstitutional spending, only 12 times in 41 opportunities did Dr. Paul oppose unconstitutional pork spending, while at the same time he’s been proposing his own pork. I never read about shrimp advertising subsidies in the constitution.

However, Paul’s supporters have to be considered the clincher. Many (but not all) are 9/11 truthers and other undesirables. They hijack threads, barge in quite rudely to places in which they are not invited, and due to how well-organized they are, they guarantee that no blogger can hold a fun strawpoll of their readers without Ron Paul’s folks showing up to manipulate it. Overall, the Paul folks don’t show a lot of respect for bloggers and rush in far too many places and this behavior has helped to tarnish Ron Paul.

So despite the greater faults of Stevens and Chafee, the personal annoyance that Ron Paul’s supporters represent will not help Paul’s standings in the blogosphere. Like it or not, that’s the way it is.

UPDATE

Former Libertarian and 1988 Ron Paul voter Clayton Cramer just got back from a Gun Rights Convention and was disturbed at what he found:

One of the Ron Paul newsletters that turned me off so much talked about how he would look up into the galleries of the House and see Israeli agents giving directions to members of the House as to how they were supposed to vote–and I begin to sense something about two steps back from “Jews are running the world.” Nothing quite so direct and paranoid–but it gave me some real discomfort.

At the GRPC, I spoke to several Ron Paul supporters (who seemed to be a large fraction of the attendees, based on the buttons and such), and I found myself increasingly reminded of that newsletter. While we were standing in line for the buffet, I joined a conversation about the mistakes that Bush has made with respect to the Iraq war. He’s made several very severe ones–even if you agree that the war needed to be fought. I pointed out that the several reasons for the war that enjoyed general support in the U.S. at the time, even among Democrats, and this one Ron Paul supporter suddenly said, “The Iraq War was about one thing: protecting Israel. Full stop.”

The idea that the Iraq War is all about doing Israel’s bidding–because those “Jewish neocons” ran the Bush Administration–is very popular in leftist anti-Semitic circles at the moment. For purposes of argument, let’s accept that there was concern in the Bush Administration that Iraq, once in possession of a nuclear weapon, might use it against Israel. This does not preclude the other possible risks of a nuclear-armed Iraq such as a threat to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the dangers of escalation with Iran, or of Iraq supplying such weapons to terrorist groups. This complete oversimplification of the question to doing Israel’s bidding, in conjunction with that creepy newsletter some years ago, really makes me wonder what kind of a crowd Ron Paul is attracting.

Another aspect that disturbed me was the crowd of Ron Paul supporters who suddenly showed up for his speech (but who had not been at the GRPC). There were signs that declared, “Ron Paul Will Save America.” When Ron Paul arrived, there was a frightening intensity to the chanting, “Ron Paul! Ron Paul!”

I’ve volunteered for Presidential campaigns before. In 1980, I put a lot of effort into coordinating volunteers for the Ed Clark campaign. But I do not recall ever seeing this level of leader worship–what at least from the outside looked like fanaticism.

I don’t mean that every Ron Paul supporter is a closet Nazi. But there was something just a little peculiar about what I saw and heard–and I found it a bit disturbing.

That Paul refuses to distance himself from these type of people speaks volumes about his campaign.

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10 Comments

  1. Comment by DFO

    I highlighted your post today in my Idaho Blogosphere roundup, in case you want to stop by Huckleberries Online and comment further: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/hbo/archive.asp?postID=18158 — dfo

  2. Comment by Texas Little El

    Yep, we are all 911 Truthers.You have no evidence to back that up and it is a nice smear attempt but when you come up with more than innuendo to support those facts I might take you seriously.

    It’s also amazing that Congressman Sali isn’t asking for Congressman Craig to step down from office but I guess birds of a feather flock together.

  3. Comment by Texas Little El

    Oops, that is Senator Craig, not Congressman

  4. Comment by Adam Graham

    I may not be able to get you for being a 9/11 truther, but I can get you for a lack of reading comprehension:

    Many (but not all) are 9/11 truthers and other undesirables.

    I said not all Paul supporters are 9/11 truthers. For whatever reason, you chose to ignore it.

  5. Comment by Bubblehead

    It’s the joooooos! (Remember, there are six o’s in “joooooos”.) I had the same thing happen one time I mentioned Ron Paul in my blog (also related to his support, or at least tolerance, of various 9/11 Truthers) — one of his minions showed up and threatened some sort of libel action. I mocked and belittled him or her.

  6. Comment by Paul Weber

    The majority of americans think the government lied about 911. It’s funny how “truthers” are intended as a negative description by negative people. maybe 2 wrongs make a right.

    I am not a “sheeple” at least. Ron Paul is an honest man, and that is quite refreshing from all the corruption in D.C. He is not perfect, who is? Plus he is not a C.F.R. member, and I think its a conflict of interest when our elected representatives are attending secret meetings.

    We need more transparency in govt. and maybe we wouldn’t have all the “conspiracy theorists” everywhere. when people don’t know whats going on their imagination tends to take over, I will admit.

  7. Comment by kalej

    It may be uncomfortable, but to disagree with you, those “undesirables” are NOT the majority of his supporters. The majority of his supporters are people who are sick of the one party in DC. Sick of the bloated government and finally seeing a glimmer of hope in a candidate.

    Forgive us for being a bit jubilant when Dr. Paul continues to thrive despite being largely ignored by the media.

    Yes it is uncomfortable when the undesirables or anti-jewish crowd show up. They may be loud, they may hijack the thread, but they are by far the minority. Watch his speech at Google headquarters. I am sure you will agree Google isn’t run by skinheads.

  8. Comment by Clayton E. Cramer

    He is not perfect, who is? Plus he is not a C.F.R. member, and I think its a conflict of interest when our elected representatives are attending secret meetings.

    We need more transparency in govt. and maybe we wouldn’t have all the “conspiracy theorists” everywhere. when people don’t know whats going on their imagination tends to take over, I will admit.

    It is the conspiracy theory stuff that scares the wits out of me about Ron Paul. I don’t know how much of this stuff that I hear from his followers reflects Ron Paul’s views, and how much is an unwillingness of Paul to drive away his more disturbed followers–but conspiracy theories are based on the false assumption that the people running are government are dramatically smarter than the average American. I wish that were true; it isn’t. Conspiracies require intelligence to keep running and secret; which is more likely? Stupid people screwing up, or smart people making elaborate conspiracies?

  9. Comment by Adam Graham

    Clayton, Hanlon’s Razor agreed with you.

  10. Comment by Daniel

    it will be hillary against ron :-) )

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