Comments on: Thuggish Reaction to the Success of Proposition 8 http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/ Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.-Ronald Reagan Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:31:36 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: frankg http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/comment-page-1/#comment-55642 frankg Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:44:48 +0000 http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/#comment-55642 I've been trying to nail down where gays stand on redefining marriage, and if the state is tasked to treat SSM as HSM, if it must enforce anti discrimination laws and allow teaching of SSM in schools. Some gays have said it won't happen. Others say it has happened, in defiance of parent's wishes for their children. I've read that there will be/will NOT be opt outs. So which is it? I don't want to wake up a political refugee in America because of my religious beliefs. Churches and parents should be absolutely free to teach that marriage between a man and a woman is the best example of what a father, mother, wife, husband is to developing young children, who will then have a basis to make up their own minds as adults. All the while, the cry for churches to be silent on this issue is rather selective. Religions marched in civil rights struggle, nuclear freeze protests, suddenly they MUST sit down and SHUTUP. Sorry, churches do get to speak out on all moral issues, not just the ones liberals allow them to. I’ve been trying to nail down where gays stand on redefining marriage, and if the state is tasked to treat SSM as HSM, if it must enforce anti discrimination laws and allow teaching of SSM in schools. Some gays have said it won’t happen. Others say it has happened, in defiance of parent’s wishes for their children. I’ve read that there will be/will NOT be opt outs.
So which is it? I don’t want to wake up a political refugee in America because of my religious beliefs. Churches and parents should be absolutely free to teach that marriage between a man and a woman is the best example of what a father, mother, wife, husband is to developing young children, who will then have a basis to make up their own minds as adults.
All the while, the cry for churches to be silent on this issue is rather selective. Religions marched in civil rights struggle, nuclear freeze protests, suddenly they MUST sit down and SHUTUP. Sorry, churches do get to speak out on all moral issues, not just the ones liberals allow them to.

]]> By: Adam Graham http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/comment-page-1/#comment-55421 Adam Graham Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:06:58 +0000 http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/#comment-55421 <i> It seems as though every country is finally going with the Conservative people. I don’t wonder what happened here, but I wish…</i> Give us a few years, Rosemary. It seems as though every country is finally going with the Conservative people. I don’t wonder what happened here, but I wish…

Give us a few years, Rosemary.

]]> By: Adam Graham http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/comment-page-1/#comment-55420 Adam Graham Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:03:36 +0000 http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/#comment-55420 Ed: <i>The first amendment states “all men are created equal”</i> <p> Actually the Declaration of Independence does. <p> <i>So to all those who think bigotry is over let me remind you, that if you voted in CA, FL or AZ and voted against gay rights YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR CONSCIOUS….</i> <p> After watching the people crying on TV saying “I can’t believe this finally happened” after Barack was elected and stating all the struggles and the history of discrimination that they went through and what a milestone this election is, WELL..before you open your mouthes again..HOW DID YOU VOTE IN CA OR FL… I guess gay people are not considered people to you…..</i> There's no bigotry here. Everyone has a right to engage in marriage. We don't have a right to redefine it. There are other limits as well. You can't marry relatives and you can't marry people below a certain age. <I>Religion is not part of the constitution.</i> That's funny, you cite, all men are created and equal, but fail to also cite that the Declaration goes on to say "we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights." It seems odd that some people think we can have no respect for God and somehow maintain our rights. And Ed are you seriously defending shout out N-----r or telling Blacks that n------rs better not come aroung West Hollywood? Ed:

The first amendment states “all men are created equal”

Actually the Declaration of Independence does.

So to all those who think bigotry is over let me remind you, that if you voted in CA, FL or AZ and voted against gay rights YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR CONSCIOUS….

After watching the people crying on TV saying “I can’t believe this finally happened” after Barack was elected and stating all the struggles and the history of discrimination that they went through and what a milestone this election is, WELL..before you open your mouthes again..HOW DID YOU VOTE IN CA OR FL… I guess gay people are not considered people to you…..

There’s no bigotry here. Everyone has a right to engage in marriage. We don’t have a right to redefine it. There are other limits as well. You can’t marry relatives and you can’t marry people below a certain age.

Religion is not part of the constitution.

That’s funny, you cite, all men are created and equal, but fail to also cite that the Declaration goes on to say “we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights.” It seems odd that some people think we can have no respect for God and somehow maintain our rights.

And Ed are you seriously defending shout out N—–r or telling Blacks that n——rs better not come aroung West Hollywood?

]]> By: Rosemary http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/comment-page-1/#comment-55416 Rosemary Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:53:05 +0000 http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/#comment-55416 Great articles. I've heard/read about most of them, but there are some I had not (like the election in New Zealand). Good for them. It seems as though every country is finally going with the Conservative people. I don't wonder what happened here, but I wish... Thanks for the link! Great articles. I’ve heard/read about most of them, but there are some I had not (like the election in New Zealand). Good for them. It seems as though every country is finally going with the Conservative people. I don’t wonder what happened here, but I wish…

Thanks for the link!

]]> By: ed sindicich http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/comment-page-1/#comment-55407 ed sindicich Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:37:53 +0000 http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/thuggish-reaction-to-the-success-of-proposition-8/#comment-55407 The first amendment states "all men are created equal" So to all those who think bigotry is over let me remind you, that if you voted in CA, FL or AZ and voted against gay rights YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR CONSCIOUS.... After watching the people crying on TV saying "I can't believe this finally happened" after Barack was elected and stating all the struggles and the history of discrimination that they went through and what a milestone this election is, WELL..before you open your mouthes again..HOW DID YOU VOTE IN CA OR FL... I guess gay people are not considered people to you..... Religion is not part of the constitution and after 200 years of waiting for a black president it is mind boggling how so many of you had no problem discriminating against another minority. We are NOT one......yet .... as Barack has hoped .... it is truly staggering to me how one minority can discriminate against another as the vote showed in CA and FL..... when the black vote was 70-30 to take away gay rights on the props.... Yep .... how soon people forget what they are voting for ....I guess they can't even remember as they voted for the president, in the election booth.... For all of you who feel gays are not people and are not included in the first amendment....remember how you felt when you were discriminated against and the thoughts that ran through your own minds on why you weren't considered as good as anyone else.... I am white... many of my friends are white and we all voted for Barack and never even considered race..... but after the election it really became evident amidst all the hoopla on TV that these same people I watched crying in happiness had no problem taking away the rights of another minority.... I stopped celebrating the victory when I realized how much hypocrisy was being spewed on the TV screen. If there is one community that truly could relate to black civil rights history, it is the gay community, yet you through them to the dogs. It is truly amazing....listening to all the people recanting their struggles to get to this point in history and yet there is another minority who was thrown under the bus without a second thought... and this minority, also fought to get Barrack elected for the same reasons you did. The first amendment states “all men are created equal”

So to all those who think bigotry is over let me remind you, that if you voted in CA, FL or AZ and voted against gay rights YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR CONSCIOUS….

After watching the people crying on TV saying “I can’t believe this finally happened” after Barack was elected and stating all the struggles and the history of discrimination that they went through and what a milestone this election is, WELL..before you open your mouthes again..HOW DID YOU VOTE IN CA OR FL… I guess gay people are not considered people to you…..

Religion is not part of the constitution and after 200 years of waiting for a black president it is mind boggling how so many of you had no problem discriminating against another minority.

We are NOT one……yet …. as Barack has hoped …. it is truly staggering to me how one minority can discriminate against another as the vote showed in CA and FL….. when the black vote was 70-30 to take away gay rights on the props….

Yep …. how soon people forget what they are voting for ….I guess they can’t even remember as they voted for the president, in the election booth….

For all of you who feel gays are not people and are not included in the first amendment….remember how you felt when you were discriminated against and the thoughts that ran through your own minds on why you weren’t considered as good as anyone else….

I am white… many of my friends are white and we all voted for Barack and never even considered race….. but after the election it really became evident amidst all the hoopla on TV that these same people I watched crying in happiness had no problem taking away the rights of another minority…. I stopped celebrating the victory when I realized how much hypocrisy was being spewed on the TV screen.

If there is one community that truly could relate to black civil rights history, it is the gay community, yet you through them to the dogs.

It is truly amazing….listening to all the people recanting their struggles to get to this point in history and yet there is another minority who was thrown under the bus without a second thought… and this minority, also fought to get Barrack elected for the same reasons you did.

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