Comments on: What Part of 80% Majority Don’t You Understand? http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/ Fighting a never ending battle... Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:04:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Michael [Visitor] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-969 Michael [Visitor] Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:53:01 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-969 <br /> If a woman has the right to kill her baby, why doesn't she have the right to sell her child into slavery, or worse, for spare parts?<br /> Andrea<br /> <br /> The answer is clear. Once a child is born it automatically is guaranteed the rights of a citizen. Thus the child is protected by the Constitution, and it's amendments.<br /> <br /> There is a debate over when a fetus becomes a human being. But we have a consensus that American citizens are guaranteed, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If a woman has the right to kill her baby, why doesn’t she have the right to sell her child into slavery, or worse, for spare parts?
Andrea

The answer is clear. Once a child is born it automatically is guaranteed the rights of a citizen. Thus the child is protected by the Constitution, and it’s amendments.

There is a debate over when a fetus becomes a human being. But we have a consensus that American citizens are guaranteed, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

]]> By: Andrea Graham [Member] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-968 Andrea Graham [Member] Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:34:13 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-968 au contrair, the thirteen and fourteenth amendments only apply to persons. To bring back slavery, one need merely find a right in the constitution for parents to determine whether their "products of conception" are persons. And why not? Whether a child in the womb is a human being or not is already dependent upon her mother's opinion. If a woman has the right to kill her baby, why doesn't she have the right to sell her child into slavery, or worse, for spare parts?<br /> au contrair, the thirteen and fourteenth amendments only apply to persons. To bring back slavery, one need merely find a right in the constitution for parents to determine whether their “products of conception” are persons. And why not? Whether a child in the womb is a human being or not is already dependent upon her mother’s opinion. If a woman has the right to kill her baby, why doesn’t she have the right to sell her child into slavery, or worse, for spare parts?

]]> By: Michael [Visitor] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-967 Michael [Visitor] Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:51:39 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-967 <br /> Hmm, I understand your point Adam, but I have to say that I'm a bit perplexed at this belief in allowing the majority to do whatever it wants. <br /> Sean<br /> That is the reason that we created a republic rather than a democracy and the reason that the minority position, (whoever they happen to be), deserves equal treatment. <br /> Sean<br /> <br /> <br /> What a complete bunch of nonsense The founders did not establish a Republic so that the minority position would get equal treatment. It was established to protect State rights and to allow for the growth of the Union so that other states could only enter if they agreed to also be Republics entering into a larger Republic. <br /> <br /> We have certain individual rights called Civil Liberties which are protected under The Constitution, The Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments to the Constitution ) .<br /> <br /> Statutory laws and administrative laws are bound by the Constitution. Therefore, the minority rights of Democrats in <br /> Idaho are not in any danger. Also, the nature of the protection and individual rights as outlined by Sean is simply wrong.<br /> So unless Adam was arguing that we should do away with the Constitution and it's protections, we are in no danger of mob rule. Nor are we going back to slavery. The 13th and 14th amendments see to that. Hmm, I understand your point Adam, but I have to say that I’m a bit perplexed at this belief in allowing the majority to do whatever it wants.
Sean
That is the reason that we created a republic rather than a democracy and the reason that the minority position, (whoever they happen to be), deserves equal treatment.
Sean

What a complete bunch of nonsense The founders did not establish a Republic so that the minority position would get equal treatment. It was established to protect State rights and to allow for the growth of the Union so that other states could only enter if they agreed to also be Republics entering into a larger Republic.

We have certain individual rights called Civil Liberties which are protected under The Constitution, The Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments to the Constitution ) .

Statutory laws and administrative laws are bound by the Constitution. Therefore, the minority rights of Democrats in
Idaho are not in any danger. Also, the nature of the protection and individual rights as outlined by Sean is simply wrong.
So unless Adam was arguing that we should do away with the Constitution and it’s protections, we are in no danger of mob rule. Nor are we going back to slavery. The 13th and 14th amendments see to that.

]]> By: Adam Graham [Member] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-966 Adam Graham [Member] Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:01:01 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-966 Yeah, if we read the article, the author's mad because Republicans holding an 80% majority are governing according to Republican principles. Yeah, if we read the article, the author’s mad because Republicans holding an 80% majority are governing according to Republican principles.

]]> By: The Random Yak [Visitor] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-965 The Random Yak [Visitor] Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:45:22 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-965 I will concede the point that "just because a bunch of people want something, that doesn't make it right." Witness Nazi Germany - uncontrolled rule by an evil majority leads to evil. However, to state that the minority deserves "equal treatment" is an ambiguous statement that deserves clarification. If you mean that no one's interests should be ignored or abused outright, I agree with you. Individuals deserve to be treated equally (a fact the Bible not just mentions but commands) with individual rights which deserve respect regardless of the party in power. But if you mean that the minority should have an equal right to have its views made law, you are mistaken. Representative government means that the party which has been elected is the one chosen by the people to put its plans into effect. If the people elect a conservative, Republican Congress, that means the majority of the people wish a conservative government, and under our Constitution they have the right to see those wishes carried out. If the majority wishes a liberal Congress, they have the right to elect them - and the individuals wishing to be elected have the opportunity to state their views and attempt to persuade the voters that their plans are better than the opposition. If that fails, it means the voters were not persuaded - and that those minority plans and positions should not be put into effect because the people responsible for electing the government wished it so. Mob rule is not the same as control by a majority party. Majority parties can deteriorate into mob rule, but to equate them from moment 1 is to make a dangerous - and mistaken - assumption about the nature and functionality of representative government. I will concede the point that “just because a bunch of people want something, that doesn’t make it right.” Witness Nazi Germany – uncontrolled rule by an evil majority leads to evil. However, to state that the minority deserves “equal treatment” is an ambiguous statement that deserves clarification. If you mean that no one’s interests should be ignored or abused outright, I agree with you. Individuals deserve to be treated equally (a fact the Bible not just mentions but commands) with individual rights which deserve respect regardless of the party in power. But if you mean that the minority should have an equal right to have its views made law, you are mistaken. Representative government means that the party which has been elected is the one chosen by the people to put its plans into effect. If the people elect a conservative, Republican Congress, that means the majority of the people wish a conservative government, and under our Constitution they have the right to see those wishes carried out. If the majority wishes a liberal Congress, they have the right to elect them – and the individuals wishing to be elected have the opportunity to state their views and attempt to persuade the voters that their plans are better than the opposition. If that fails, it means the voters were not persuaded – and that those minority plans and positions should not be put into effect because the people responsible for electing the government wished it so. Mob rule is not the same as control by a majority party. Majority parties can deteriorate into mob rule, but to equate them from moment 1 is to make a dangerous – and mistaken – assumption about the nature and functionality of representative government.

]]> By: Sean Sirrine [Visitor] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-964 Sean Sirrine [Visitor] Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:44:37 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-964 Hmm, I understand your point Adam, but I have to say that I'm a bit perplexed at this belief in allowing the majority to do whatever it wants. There is a term for that coined by one of our Founding Fathers; "Tyranny of the Majority". That is the reason that we created a republic rather than a democracy and the reason that the minority position, (whoever they happen to be), deserves equal treatment. To do otherwise is to give in to mob rule. It is this type of government that now protects women from sexism and blacks from slavery even though at the time the majority was against giving them any protection. Just because a bunch of people want something doesn't make it right. Hmm, I understand your point Adam, but I have to say that I’m a bit perplexed at this belief in allowing the majority to do whatever it wants. There is a term for that coined by one of our Founding Fathers; “Tyranny of the Majority”. That is the reason that we created a republic rather than a democracy and the reason that the minority position, (whoever they happen to be), deserves equal treatment. To do otherwise is to give in to mob rule. It is this type of government that now protects women from sexism and blacks from slavery even though at the time the majority was against giving them any protection. Just because a bunch of people want something doesn’t make it right.

]]> By: Andrea Graham [Member] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-963 Andrea Graham [Member] Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:53:44 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-963 this is what I call being a sore loser. this is what I call being a sore loser.

]]> By: Adam Graham [Member] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-962 Adam Graham [Member] Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:23:08 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-962 Now, you get it. Now, you get it.

]]> By: The Random Yak [Visitor] http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/what_part_of_80_majority_don_t_you_under/comment-page-1/#comment-961 The Random Yak [Visitor] Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:10:06 +0000 http://blog.adamsweb.us/blog/index.php/a/2006/02/26/what-part-of-80-majority-dont-you-understand/#comment-961 Really have to love the Moonbat Political Worldview. Rule #1: When we are the majority, we do things our way because we are what the people wanted. Otherwise you're oppressing the people. Rule #2: When we're a minority, we do things our way because minorities need to be listened to and obeyed. Otherwise you're oppressing the people.<br /> "Equidistance from Reality...party of Moonbat." Really have to love the Moonbat Political Worldview. Rule #1: When we are the majority, we do things our way because we are what the people wanted. Otherwise you’re oppressing the people. Rule #2: When we’re a minority, we do things our way because minorities need to be listened to and obeyed. Otherwise you’re oppressing the people.
“Equidistance from Reality…party of Moonbat.”

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